Debbie Kline of the Association for Children for Enforcement of Support, Inc., (ACES) on Collecting Child Support

MsgId: jcafe(5)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:00:00 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Welcome! Stay tuned for tonight's chat at 10 PM ET, when Debbie Kleine, Chapter Development Director of the
Association for Children for Enforcement of Support, Inc., will discuss effective techniques and strategies for collecting child support.

MsgId: jcafe(2)
Date: Thu Jun 12 21:55:21 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Terry - it's Debbie Kline
MsgId: jcafe(3)
Date: Thu Jun 12 21:59:21 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Welcome, Debby, and everyone.
MsgId: jcafe(4)
Date: Thu Jun 12 21:59:47 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Debby, can you tell us something about your organization?
MsgId: jcafe(5)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:36 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Debbie, when you answer, please put in a few sentences, and add it. Then continue for another few sentences. Thanks.
MsgId: jcafe(6)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:02:37 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

ACES,Association for Children for Enforcement of Support, is the largest child support organization in the nation. We are a self help group that teaches single parents how to use the child support system to successfully collect support.
MsgId: jcafe(7)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:03:36 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Debbie, what are the prerequisites for collecting child support?
MsgId: jcafe(8)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:05:31 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

An order for support in a divorce or separation. An order to establish paternity and a support order for cases where the parents were never married.
MsgId: jcafe(9)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:07:23 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

What is the Child support Enforcement Agency. Does every state have one? How can it be used to help people who are getting support?
MsgId: jcafe(10)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:09:43 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Yes, every state has a government child support agency responsible for establishing orders, establishing paternity and enforcing orders.
MsgId: jcafe(11)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:10:32 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Someone who is not receiving support, simply has to sign an application for service.
MsgId: jcafe(12)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:11:43 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

How can child support be collected if the non-payor is employed?
MsgId: jcafe(13)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:12:50 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

This is the easiest type of case to enforce. The child support agency simply files an income withholding order to the employer.
MsgId: jcafe(14)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:13:06 EDT 1997
From: Manuel
At: 168.100.204.58

By non-payor, do you mean the person who is supposed to pay but is not, or the one who is supposed to collect?
MsgId: jcafe(15)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:14:14 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

If the person who is supposed to pay is employed, what can be done to assure the children get their support?
MsgId: jcafe(16)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:15:32 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Non-payor is the person who is supposed to pay. Also know as the noncustodial parent.
MsgId: jcafe(17)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:15:56 EDT 1997
From: Manuel
At: 168.100.204.58

Can this ever amount to harrassment on the job --or is it done in a quiet way so that the individual may pay without the whole company knowing?
MsgId: jcafe(18)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:18:31 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

Manuel has a good question. Debbie, after you have answered Manuel's question, I would like to ask you what happens in the case where the non-payor is unemployed.
MsgId: jcafe(19)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:18:46 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

No,it is a payroll deduction, just like paying taxes, social security or health insurance premiums.
MsgId: jcafe(20)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:20:20 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.205.178

So what happens when the non-custodial parent is unemployed?
MsgId: jcafe(21)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:20:30 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

There are a few ways to enforce child support for self-employed. If the company is a corporation, an income withholding order can be issued.
MsgId: jcafe(22)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:21:34 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Unemployment compensation is also attachable. Or the unemployed person could be ordered to seek work.
MsgId: jcafe(23)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:23:50 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

I think a question came in but it did not appear on the screen. Could you reask?
MsgId: jcafe(24)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:25:43 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

What about the situation where the person withholding payment is an under-the-table earner?
MsgId: jcafe(25)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:27:24 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

There are several ways to enforce for under the table, the best is to do a credit report and subpoena the credit apps to prove income.
MsgId: jcafe(26)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:28:10 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

Isn't this expensive? Will you need a lawyer?
MsgId: jcafe(27)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:29:16 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

I would suggest that someone who has a self-employed or under the table wage earner call our ACES National Toll free hotline at 1-800-537-7072 for more info.
MsgId: jcafe(28)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:29:59 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

Is there any general information on this issue we can present now?
MsgId: jcafe(29)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:30:31 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

No, you do not need a private attorney, this is a responsibility of the gov. child support agency.
MsgId: jcafe(30)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:31:24 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

What about when the non-payor does not follow the court order to pay?
MsgId: jcafe(31)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:31:52 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

An under the table wage earner can also be ordered to seek work. This will make if difficult to work and actively seek employment.
MsgId: jcafe(32)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:32:48 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

But can't the person just refuse? How do you FORCE someone who has the ability to cover-up and really wants to withhold the money?
MsgId: jcafe(33)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:33:17 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Depending on the state, some states have criminal nonsupport laws where the nonpayor could end up going to jail. Others have contempt charges. All done through the gov. child support agency.
MsgId: jcafe(34)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:34:06 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

What do you do when you cannot even locate your spouse?
MsgId: jcafe(35)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:35:48 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

The gov. child support agency is responsible for location this includes address, employment or source of income.
MsgId: jcafe(36)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:36:37 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

The agencies do this through federal and state parent locator services.
MsgId: jcafe(37)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:38:24 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

Someone I know is owed a large amount of back support. Can they collect it easily?
MsgId: jcafe(38)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:41:00 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

That depends on the circumstances of the case. Never give up hope. 75% of the people who contact ACES for help and information begin receiving support.
MsgId: jcafe(39)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:41:55 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

What about alimony? Can people use similar techniques for that, and are they as successful or as thoroughly upheld by government agencies?
MsgId: jcafe(40)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:43:01 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

The child support agency is responsible for enforcing spousal support if there is also a child support order.
MsgId: jcafe(41)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:43:31 EDT 1997
From: Mary
At: 168.100.205.178

Is there a lot of red-tape involved in going the route of the child support agency? It seems like it would take a lot of time and effort.
MsgId: jcafe(42)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:45:21 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Not if you know what your legal rights are and how to complain effectively if the child support agency fails to provide services. The real key is knowledge.
MsgId: jcafe(43)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:46:58 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

We've been talking in generalities tonight, but I think that people need the touchstone of specifics. Can you give us an example of a specific case in which your agency helped someone recover support? If you're answer gets too long, just put elipses ... to indicate you will be continuing.
MsgId: jcafe(44)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:51:19 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

We have many success stories. Some have received small amounts and others have received amounts over $100,000...
MsgId: jcafe(45)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:52:21 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

One of the most recent was a single mother whose children were owed over $35,000 in unpaid support...
MsgId: jcafe(46)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:55:26 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

The father was a doctor living in another state. He was charged under the Child Support Recovery Act which makes it a federal crime to live in another state and not support your children...
MsgId: jcafe(47)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:56:24 EDT 1997
From: Mary
At: 168.100.205.178

What if they live in a different country? Does the act apply?
MsgId: jcafe(48)
Date: Thu Jun 12 22:59:07 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

Sorry, I was disconnected. The father paid the entire amount. Unfortunately no it does not apply.
MsgId: jcafe(49)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:00:20 EDT 1997
From: Mary
At: 168.100.205.178

Even if the person is a US citizen, filing a US tax return?
MsgId: jcafe(50)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:01:01 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

Our time is just about up. Let's answer this final question, and then give the audience some parting information on your organization and how to reach it by snail mail, web, e-mail and phone.
MsgId: jcafe(51)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:03:01 EDT 1997
From: dkaces
At: 38.12.154.192

You can have the child support agency attach his IRS offset. ACES hotline: 1-800-537-7072. snail mail: 2260 Upton Ave. Toledo, OH 43606 email: nataces@earthlink.net
MsgId: jcafe(52)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:04:32 EDT 1997
From: Mary
At: 168.100.205.178

thanks for your advice.
MsgId: jcafe(53)
Date: Thu Jun 12 23:04:39 EDT 1997
From: Divorce_Central_Moderator
At: 168.100.204.58

Thank you so much, Debbie Kline of ACES, for clarifying support issues for us tonight. The interview will be archived on our site in the Expert Opinion section this week. Good Night!


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